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speaker of the house john boehner called it dead on arrival yesterday. the question is whether democrats in the senate hold the line here or whether they say, we need to do something about a carl levin seems to think you can't push this through with the nuclear option. you need to get two-thirds on board. >> this is what happened when they last considered this in 2010 where you had the gray beards of the institution say no, this is supposed to be the [ inaudible ] for the house and chris dodds go to the floor and say this cannot happened. what happens with gray beards is they usually leave. >> or get grayer. >> we have a new class of senate democrats coming in and saying there is a legal and constitutional basis for doing this. the thing that i think gets confused here, is that they're not doing away with the filibuster. what reid is trying to do -- >> i think they should do. >> well, you can make -- you can have the argument because a lot of reproductive rights groups would be more cauckau -- cautio about them. have them show up and get 40 votes. >> if
speaker of the house john boehner called it dead on arrival yesterday. the question is whether democrats in the senate hold the line here or whether they say, we need to do something about a carl levin seems to think you can't push this through with the nuclear option. you need to get two-thirds on board. >> this is what happened when they last considered this in 2010 where you had the gray beards of the institution say no, this is supposed to be the [ inaudible ] for the house and chris...
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so john boehner has wiggle room. he can look like he's the tough guy to the tea party folks who have to vote him back in as speaker. tom cole is really laying out the policy. if they wanted to shut him up, he would have been shut up. and so, where does this leave them? they're not going to play the card on the debt ceiling because that was a disaster for them. they're going to say, you know what, we tried to say the democrats were not serious about spending cuts, but they have no option. they lost the election. you know, republican voters were lied to about the state of the polls. they were lied to about the state of america. and if they want to believe that this is the only path that only spending cuts will get them to deficit reduction, they can carry on believing that or get to a place where they're going to get re-elected. >> richard, i think the president is offering a great deal to the republicans. here's why. these guys can go home 98% and say, you know what, 98% of you, i got the tax cuts. i didn't raise your
so john boehner has wiggle room. he can look like he's the tough guy to the tea party folks who have to vote him back in as speaker. tom cole is really laying out the policy. if they wanted to shut him up, he would have been shut up. and so, where does this leave them? they're not going to play the card on the debt ceiling because that was a disaster for them. they're going to say, you know what, we tried to say the democrats were not serious about spending cuts, but they have no option. they...
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does he hear what john boehner has to say? does he internalize it? do we hear something acknowledging republican resistance to what he laid out today in pennsylvania or not? >> reporter: well, i think he certainly is hearing and listening to john boehner, but he also believes that he has the upper hand having just won re-election and this trip to pennsylvania today is sort of a larger pr campaign that the president and the white house have been embarking on to get voters, to pressure congressional republicans to get onboard with the president's plan of increasing taxes on wealthier americans. he's traveling to pennsylvania today. he has had had business leaders here at the white house, also leaders of the progressive movement to sort of build support for his plan and today specifically he'll be visiting a toy manufacturer in pennsylvania to sort of make the case that businesses like the toy manufacturer benefit and will continue to benefit if lawmakers get a deal on this payroll tax cut and if they -- on the fiscal cliff, rather, and if they don't, i
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is he gives boehner more room to negotiate? >> maybe he's giving boehner a chance to actually kind of calm the other troops in the republican caucus who are more against a compromise than he is. it's always hard to tell with legislative politics. these guys will go out on their own, get on camera and get in the papers. what's really interesting here, i think if you pull back a little bit, both parties are facing in the fiscal cliff this incredible, like, once in a generation test of their core principles. and kind of a political test for the whole country. this is one of the few times in recent history where the discussion on taxes has really changed and where the political playing field has kind of tilted for the democrats on this question. it hasn't been that way since they controlled all of congress probably in the clinton years. really what we're seeing is if democrats are worried, are they can't sort of change the conversation and move the needle on taxes with all the things they have going for them right now in this polit
is he gives boehner more room to negotiate? >> maybe he's giving boehner a chance to actually kind of calm the other troops in the republican caucus who are more against a compromise than he is. it's always hard to tell with legislative politics. these guys will go out on their own, get on camera and get in the papers. what's really interesting here, i think if you pull back a little bit, both parties are facing in the fiscal cliff this incredible, like, once in a generation test of their...
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look, in the negotiations, speaker boehner was reportedly offered revenue. the presidents asked for $1.6 trillion in revenue. there's a bid. there's an ask. >> let me bring that to congressman ellison, we started to see the beginnings of a counteroffer from mitch mcconnell. he offered three things. he said that he's gradual increase in the eligibility age for medicare. some adjustments to social security cola. i believe those are all nonstarters to you and the progressive caucus. >> those would be a problem because raising rates and increasing eligibility age is going to hurt people across income scales. particularly low income seniors and people like that. that wouldn't work for us. >> the president has been open to some of that before. >> here's the deal, the people of the united states believe that medicare is an important program. they don't want to see beneficiaries cut. if we find cuts that don't result in cuts to beneficiaries that's one thing. but we're not going to go after seeing the president win this election, we won the white house, turn right a
look, in the negotiations, speaker boehner was reportedly offered revenue. the presidents asked for $1.6 trillion in revenue. there's a bid. there's an ask. >> let me bring that to congressman ellison, we started to see the beginnings of a counteroffer from mitch mcconnell. he offered three things. he said that he's gradual increase in the eligibility age for medicare. some adjustments to social security cola. i believe those are all nonstarters to you and the progressive caucus. >>...
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starting off -- or including house speaker john boehner. of course boehner will be key to moving the needle on these fiscal cliff negotiations. this comes on the heels of a phone call between president obama and speaker boehner which occurred credit. my sources are telling me the phone call lasted for about a half an hour. politico described it as curt, but may sources say that's not necessarily the case. so of course treasury secretary tim geithner coming in to the hill trying to move the needle on the fiscal cliff and we're hearing that there are sort of broad outlines of a framework emerging. but of course they really need to put some meat on the bones. what does that mean in terms of increasing taxes and cutting medicare. to those are some of the issues being hammered out today. >> kristen, thank you so much. so as we said, it is tim geithner's day on the hill. is this a sign that talks are being accelerating or hitting stumbling blocks? joining me now senator kent conrad. sir, great to have you here. we showed the headline at the top o
starting off -- or including house speaker john boehner. of course boehner will be key to moving the needle on these fiscal cliff negotiations. this comes on the heels of a phone call between president obama and speaker boehner which occurred credit. my sources are telling me the phone call lasted for about a half an hour. politico described it as curt, but may sources say that's not necessarily the case. so of course treasury secretary tim geithner coming in to the hill trying to move the...
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again, though, the most important dynamic here is between the president and boehner. >> yes. >> and boehner and republicans who have not voted to raise any taxes in washington in, what, 20, 25 years? >> mm-hmm. >> and so, as mark said, the president has just made john boehner's job much, much more difficult. everybody is looking at tom cole now who is going to be prima primaried. this is what happens when you go and try to meet democrats halfway. according to "the new york times," they start with a proposal that's loaded with democratic priorities. according to "the wall street journal," the first offer was provocative. suddenly tom cole looks like an idiot out there. >> or he gives someone to boehner's left so he doesn't look so extreme. >> but, again, the president by putting this offer out there just made it impossible for another tom cole to step out and be responsive. >> the curt phone call between ba boehner and the president makes me feel they are posturing and getting -- >> first of all, i couldn't disagree more. i think there are lines of optimism to be seen very clearly in this de
again, though, the most important dynamic here is between the president and boehner. >> yes. >> and boehner and republicans who have not voted to raise any taxes in washington in, what, 20, 25 years? >> mm-hmm. >> and so, as mark said, the president has just made john boehner's job much, much more difficult. everybody is looking at tom cole now who is going to be prima primaried. this is what happens when you go and try to meet democrats halfway. according to "the...
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here who is not laughing this is john boehner speaker of the house. >> this is a stalemate. let's not kid ourselves. i'm not trying to make this more difficult. you've watched me over the last three weeks, i've been very guarded in what i have had to say. but when i come out the day after the election and make it clear that republicans will put revenue on the table i took a great risk. >> cenk: kind of makes you yearn for the pen jokes. >> yes. >> cenk: look, he didn't take a great risk. that's what the whole election was about raising revenue. raising revenue is code word for not raising the income tax rates. we don't want to raise rates we'll get rid of loopholes that we'll put back in next year. i love the point that dorothy made. i never thought about it that way. everybody knows they have a household budget. we know we should spend less, but if you don't make any money you're out of luck. the revenue side of this is tremendously important. and we have congress saying no revenue, we're not going to bring it in. >> during the bush years they used to spend money that they
here who is not laughing this is john boehner speaker of the house. >> this is a stalemate. let's not kid ourselves. i'm not trying to make this more difficult. you've watched me over the last three weeks, i've been very guarded in what i have had to say. but when i come out the day after the election and make it clear that republicans will put revenue on the table i took a great risk. >> cenk: kind of makes you yearn for the pen jokes. >> yes. >> cenk: look, he didn't...
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there's some question whether john boehner would even put a bill like that on the floor. so, right now, a standoff. but that's the bad news. the good news is they have a month left to negotiate. >> mike viqueira from the white house, we'll see you again next hour. thank you. >>> it may be the republicans biggest weapon in the fiscal cliff debate and democrats are trying to remove it permanently. this week, treasury secretary timothy geithner took a proposal to gop leaders that significantly restrict congress' authority over the debt limit. house speaker john boehner pushing back maintaining a debt ceiling increase would need to be matched by spending cuts. >> if we're going to talk about the debt limit in this, then, there's going to be some price tag associated with it. i continue to believe that any increase in the debt limit has to be aacademied by spending reductions that meet or exceed it. >> joining me now, political anchor "new york one news" and co-editor of "scandals, tragedies and trumps triumphs." senior ederter for politics and news at yahoo! news. she has bec
there's some question whether john boehner would even put a bill like that on the floor. so, right now, a standoff. but that's the bad news. the good news is they have a month left to negotiate. >> mike viqueira from the white house, we'll see you again next hour. thank you. >>> it may be the republicans biggest weapon in the fiscal cliff debate and democrats are trying to remove it permanently. this week, treasury secretary timothy geithner took a proposal to gop leaders that...
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, and it would be deeply irresponsible if we were to see that kind of approach taken again. >> with boehner calling on the white house to lay out specific spending cuts, senate majority leader harry reid offered his own response to the house speaker. >> he says that democrats have got to get serious about cuts, spending cuts. where's the disconnect, then? >> i don't understand his brain, so you should ask him. okay? >> huh. don't understand his brain. i don't understand your senate that hasn't produced a budget in, what, three, four years? >>> on to other news, president obama and mitt romney agreed to stay in touch following their face-to-face sit-down at the white house. the two met privately yesterday over lunch to share ideas about solving challenges facing the nation. they also discussed the possibility of working together in the future. the white house described the meeting as friendly. as the former rivals shared a meal of light turkey chili and chicken salad. >>> former president george h.w. bush is expected to be released from a houston hospital this weekend after suffering complic
, and it would be deeply irresponsible if we were to see that kind of approach taken again. >> with boehner calling on the white house to lay out specific spending cuts, senate majority leader harry reid offered his own response to the house speaker. >> he says that democrats have got to get serious about cuts, spending cuts. where's the disconnect, then? >> i don't understand his brain, so you should ask him. okay? >> huh. don't understand his brain. i don't understand...
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is speaker boehner now on the wrong side of history? >> well, his entire party on a lot of issues is on the wrong side of history. we don't feel sorry for him because we're making progress economically as a nation. that's very, very important. and the issues that we are going to address with this sort of fiscal cliff, fiscal slope, hill, wharf you want to call it are going to be very, very important issues. i want to clear one things up. the republicans wants to talk about deductions all the time. one of the key distinctions between letting the taxes go up a little bit on the 2% versus trying to find this money through deductions, is the fact when we're talking about capping deductions, that's something that's going to impact middle class families and middle class earners the most. and so it really is -- i don't want to make this about class warfare. it's really about what is fiscally smart for the economy. most economists are telling us this tax increase will not have very much impact in terms of growth. if you talk about essentially r
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speaker boehner is on the right track. i think he's shown a willingness to talk about things that we haven't been able to talk about before. they need to sit down and hash this out. >> isn't that interesting. republicans won't answer the direct question because these aren't the kinds of cuts they are looking for. if an interview, mitch mcconnell offered his wish list. higher medicare premiums for the wealthy americans and an increase in the medicare eligibility age. he wants to slow the cost of living increases on social security. social security is off the table. on medicare, though, one part of the president's savings would come from increasing premiums to the wealthiest americans so there might be some agreement there. but raising the eligibility age for medicare recipients is an absolute nonstarter. the idea is unpopular and it's also inefficient because it increases the cost to seniors without creating much savings to the government at all. here's the bottom line in all of this. house republicans have voted for paul r
speaker boehner is on the right track. i think he's shown a willingness to talk about things that we haven't been able to talk about before. they need to sit down and hash this out. >> isn't that interesting. republicans won't answer the direct question because these aren't the kinds of cuts they are looking for. if an interview, mitch mcconnell offered his wish list. higher medicare premiums for the wealthy americans and an increase in the medicare eligibility age. he wants to slow the...
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i think for now it's a tactical move on boehner's party. it's not a declaration boehner is supporting ryan in 2016. >> but, jamal, isn't that the problem for the whole party? isn't the problem that this party, unless it can broaden and deal with the new america, the new electorate that they lost to in november -- >> bad. >> -- that they will never be able to regain footing and eventually just be a permanent marginal party? >> absolutely. they've got to figure out a way out of this box. paul ryan -- paul ryan and i are about the same age. these are different kinds of republicans. they're not afraid of talking to people of color, not afraid of some of these things, some of their parents and grandparents were. this is what i'm saying. democrats have to be careful. barack obama supporting a democrat in 2016 does not mean that democrat's going to get black and latino votes. these democrats are going to have to have solid programs that appeal to these constituencies and fundamental relationships and not be dependent upon the president to carry th
i think for now it's a tactical move on boehner's party. it's not a declaration boehner is supporting ryan in 2016. >> but, jamal, isn't that the problem for the whole party? isn't the problem that this party, unless it can broaden and deal with the new america, the new electorate that they lost to in november -- >> bad. >> -- that they will never be able to regain footing and eventually just be a permanent marginal party? >> absolutely. they've got to figure out a way...
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. >>> coming up, what in the world is going on with speaker boehner? he went off his own cliff today. we'll tell you why he's ready to hold the economy hostage again. >>> and what's really behind john mccain's relentless and baseless attack on susan rice? former governor of new mexico and ambassador to the u.n., bill richardson, joins us live. >>> plus, remember this guy with the romney tattoo? he might just be the smartest man in the republican party today. >>> and we'll tell you what joe biden bought at costco today. you'll love this video. you're watching "politicsnation" on msnbc. >>> this is interesting. president obama is going to have lunch with mitt romney and you thought you had an awkward meal with your family on thanks giving. what i don't get is he said nobody should get a free lunch and now he's going to the white house to have a free lunch. [ male announcer ] with 160 more miles per tank, the distances aren't getting shorter. ♪ the trucks are going farther. the new 2013 ram 1500. ♪ with the best-in-class fuel economy. engineered to mo
. >>> coming up, what in the world is going on with speaker boehner? he went off his own cliff today. we'll tell you why he's ready to hold the economy hostage again. >>> and what's really behind john mccain's relentless and baseless attack on susan rice? former governor of new mexico and ambassador to the u.n., bill richardson, joins us live. >>> plus, remember this guy with the romney tattoo? he might just be the smartest man in the republican party today....
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boehner and cantor and mr. mccarty of the republican leadership whether they are under pressure from contractors to say we got to do a deal. once you walk in to a negotiation. you are disadvantage. and that is it visible for the democratings . what the democrats are doing and i might have done it when i was younger grab the republicans by the head and say we will rub your noses and rub it in there for a while and for their own dignity >> what does this have to do with the fact that the republican party is it going through soul searching after the election and trying to find perhaps a way to remake itself. to be more appealing to the constitients. >> i think the republican party is in a defining moment. some say we have to give up on immigration that is not helping with hispanics and we can't have the social issues going on. but one thing that holds the party together and brings us all together. et cetera, is the fact that we stand for smaller government and less taxes. we believe the private sector is the way t
boehner and cantor and mr. mccarty of the republican leadership whether they are under pressure from contractors to say we got to do a deal. once you walk in to a negotiation. you are disadvantage. and that is it visible for the democratings . what the democrats are doing and i might have done it when i was younger grab the republicans by the head and say we will rub your noses and rub it in there for a while and for their own dignity >> what does this have to do with the fact that the...
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is it's much harder to define a win for john boehner. you know, is a win, you know, holding absolutely fast? is a win saying, you know, great, we were the party that managed to cut social security for the middle class? that's going to be pretty hard to go into another election with. >> you know, do you agree with that assessment that it's easier for the president, cynthia, because he basically wins on taxes. he's the robin hood, if you will, of this issue. he's looking out for the regular people against the people on the top. on the other side he's saying, you republicans, you can be the scrooging this winter. i have to go along with it. but you're forcing me to do it so you're the bad guys. so i think i agree with kristin. this is basically a setup if there is a deal for the president. >> well, i do think that the president would certainly get a big win with the middle class tax cut piece of this which i think is going to pass, whether it passes by the first of the year is another matter, but i think he'll get that piece of it. but i th
is it's much harder to define a win for john boehner. you know, is a win, you know, holding absolutely fast? is a win saying, you know, great, we were the party that managed to cut social security for the middle class? that's going to be pretty hard to go into another election with. >> you know, do you agree with that assessment that it's easier for the president, cynthia, because he basically wins on taxes. he's the robin hood, if you will, of this issue. he's looking out for the regular...
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speaker boehner says he is waiting to see those. >>shepard: a lot of the president's base criticized him in their mind from negotiating from a point of weakness. a lot of that, he could be going for that base, they have a long way to go before republicans will play. >>guest: they do. talking of the political bases on the conservative side, there is a lost treasure on speaker boehner to not give in on what is the holy grill for them, which is not raising tax rates. so speaker boehner reiterated today that he would be willing to wipe out some deductions and make other tax changes but he wants to lower rates. not race rates the he had choice words for the president. >> i took a great risk. the white house spent three weeks frying to develop a proposal, with one up here that calls for $1.6 trillion in new taxes. calls for not even $400 billion in cuts. and they want to have this extra spending that is actually greater than the amount they are willing to cut. it was not a serious proposal. so right now we are almost nowhere. >>reporter:
speaker boehner says he is waiting to see those. >>shepard: a lot of the president's base criticized him in their mind from negotiating from a point of weakness. a lot of that, he could be going for that base, they have a long way to go before republicans will play. >>guest: they do. talking of the political bases on the conservative side, there is a lost treasure on speaker boehner to not give in on what is the holy grill for them, which is not raising tax rates. so speaker boehner...
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>>guest: not john boehner, and mcconnell is not either. you heard yesterday when treasury secretary geithner put the plan on the table, mcconnell literally laughed out loud because they saw sticker shot on republican side. they believe the president campaigned on $800 billion tax increases back over the last few months and now suddenly it is doubled to $1.6 trillion because it is not just about going back to the old clinton tax rates and letting the bush rates expire it is also about adding new taxes on capital gains, dividends, et cetera. the push back is the president campaigned on this and he believes he won that argument, and he believes that once republicans give in on the tax argument, at least extend the bush rates for the middle class, as the president says, 98 percent, basically, he will talk about spending cuts and i think that is the other frustration republicans have, they think if they give in on taxes, now, with a promise of spending cuts later, those cuts will never materialize. >>neil: do folks at white house think there wi
>>guest: not john boehner, and mcconnell is not either. you heard yesterday when treasury secretary geithner put the plan on the table, mcconnell literally laughed out loud because they saw sticker shot on republican side. they believe the president campaigned on $800 billion tax increases back over the last few months and now suddenly it is doubled to $1.6 trillion because it is not just about going back to the old clinton tax rates and letting the bush rates expire it is also about...
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boehner? >> it depends on what the headlines are. so the president said the clear majority voted for a balanced approach. but there's a lot of debate about what that means. representative boehner i thought was much more into fighting words over there. listen to what he said. increasing the tax rates is the wrong approach to take. he said there was a stalemate in the talks with the white house. look at the dow industrials. we did move down around 25, 30 points as his comments came out. he said we're almost nowhere in the talks. sitting right near the lows for the day. if you look at the overall sectors that are moving today, pretty much balanced on either side. pretty much even on the balance-decline line. worries about higher taxes on dividend paying stocks seem to be -- >> lows for the day but not violent downstrokes here. >> i think the problem is we'll have trouble moving into positive territory at the close. a lot of concerns about headline risks over the weekend. we could be down 10, 15 on the s&p monday morning on something tha
boehner? >> it depends on what the headlines are. so the president said the clear majority voted for a balanced approach. but there's a lot of debate about what that means. representative boehner i thought was much more into fighting words over there. listen to what he said. increasing the tax rates is the wrong approach to take. he said there was a stalemate in the talks with the white house. look at the dow industrials. we did move down around 25, 30 points as his comments came out. he...
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they want these to be about boehner and obama. last time it happened was the 2011 debt ceiling negotiations and that didn't really turn out so well. >> why would that be their aim? >> they want to make this about the president and boehner. and they think they can get a better deal that way. the pro who white house strategy is to have this happen at the staff level and the president float above it and go out and make his case to the country. as he did later in 2011 on the extension of the payroll tax holiday. they really feel that the more they have, the president sort of down on boehner's level, the worse things are going to go. >> anna marie, i want to get your take on something that democratic senator claire mccaskill said on "meet the press," about the choice that republicans face. take a listen. >> they're going to get stuck with a raising of the rates of the top 2%. either in a very painful way. or in a way that we can all suffer a little bit. address all three legs of the stool. entitlements, cuts, and revenues, in a way tha
they want these to be about boehner and obama. last time it happened was the 2011 debt ceiling negotiations and that didn't really turn out so well. >> why would that be their aim? >> they want to make this about the president and boehner. and they think they can get a better deal that way. the pro who white house strategy is to have this happen at the staff level and the president float above it and go out and make his case to the country. as he did later in 2011 on the extension...
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and if you listen to speaker boehner, it's not going very well. take a listen. >> i'm disappointed in where we are and disappointed in what's happened over the last couple of weeks. but going over the fiscal cliff is serious business. and i'm here seriously trying to resolve it. and i would hope the white house would get serious as well. >> and the speaker tweeted, "how serious is the white house about avoiding the fiscal cliff?" reports suggest, in some cases, not so serious. and also, joanne, what is the strategy here, and is there a risk like looking like you're not really negotiating? >> well, you know, i think what's interesting is that there's the posture that everyone is taking in public, but then what you're hearing behind the scenes is that everyone's sort of understands what the contours of the deal are going to look like. and what i see is john boehner trying to sort of protect his caucus at this point because he probably understands that at the end of the day, that top rate is going to go up. and republicans are in a really awkward pos
and if you listen to speaker boehner, it's not going very well. take a listen. >> i'm disappointed in where we are and disappointed in what's happened over the last couple of weeks. but going over the fiscal cliff is serious business. and i'm here seriously trying to resolve it. and i would hope the white house would get serious as well. >> and the speaker tweeted, "how serious is the white house about avoiding the fiscal cliff?" reports suggest, in some cases, not so...
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don't think anything's going to happen it's going to it's going to be with them that argument well boehner came out today and say ok you you know the president you you said how you want to raise taxes and told us if we want to cut things to give you details here's the details and then he proceeded to say raise medicare retirement eligibility age by two years slow down the cost of living adjustments on social security and it was basically screw every social security recipient from now forever and you know gradually shrink that program down and then he had a bunch of guidelines or targets with no specifics whatsoever how long the republicans think they can play this game and at what point are americans going to go what really i mean what is it to december third it was just a few weeks ago that mitt romney lost on basically that same plan on saying well you know we're going to cut all of these deductions and save all this money raise all this revenue and just trust me on the details and people said no and then this is coming boehner coming back with it that's why i think you know and i hate i
don't think anything's going to happen it's going to it's going to be with them that argument well boehner came out today and say ok you you know the president you you said how you want to raise taxes and told us if we want to cut things to give you details here's the details and then he proceeded to say raise medicare retirement eligibility age by two years slow down the cost of living adjustments on social security and it was basically screw every social security recipient from now forever...
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house speaker john boehner not so happy about it. let's listen for a minute -- >> listen, this is not a game. jobs are on the line. the american economy is on the line. and this is a moment for adult leadership. campaign-style rallies and one-sided leaks in the press are not the way to get things done here in washington. >> well, republicans are reportedly planning their own fiscal cliff pr campaign designed to show that the democrats are simply digging in, they're being stubborn, election is over, shouldn't both sides be focused on doing the job they were elected to do. how do you see it? >> look, you're going to have a bunch of rallying on both sides and some of this is theatrics. it's christmastime. you know how you tell your kids you have to be really good or santa's not going to give you what you want but you know you will buy them the new ps-3 anyway. that's what's going on. both sides realize it's political death for either side for us to go over this fiscal cliff, so barack obama's going to rally his side, republicans will ra
house speaker john boehner not so happy about it. let's listen for a minute -- >> listen, this is not a game. jobs are on the line. the american economy is on the line. and this is a moment for adult leadership. campaign-style rallies and one-sided leaks in the press are not the way to get things done here in washington. >> well, republicans are reportedly planning their own fiscal cliff pr campaign designed to show that the democrats are simply digging in, they're being stubborn,...
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i think boehner understands that. it's an issue if he can convince his conference. >> if the deal is middle class people get their tax cut continued, 2% of people don't get it. is that a good deal for the president or is that a tricky deal by the republicans? >> no -- >> puts off the fight over spending. >> he decouples tax rates, which is what he's tried -- frankly, democrats have been trying to do this for eight years. this is an eight-year-long campaign to decouple the tax rates for the rich. so yes, i talked to a high-level aide today that said -- i said, if you don't get the big deal -- because right now we're basically that small deal, which would not be a small thing, doing that, but you might not get the large grand bargain that you hope for -- >> why wouldn't the republicans take cuts in entitlements, take cuts in general government spending as part of a deal. >> they don't think -- the president hasn't outlined the cuts in entitlements. this is where the political gamesmanship goes on their side. they sit th
i think boehner understands that. it's an issue if he can convince his conference. >> if the deal is middle class people get their tax cut continued, 2% of people don't get it. is that a good deal for the president or is that a tricky deal by the republicans? >> no -- >> puts off the fight over spending. >> he decouples tax rates, which is what he's tried -- frankly, democrats have been trying to do this for eight years. this is an eight-year-long campaign to decouple...
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here's what claire mccaskill had to skay. >> i feel sorry for john boehner. he has to deal with the base of the republican party that grover norquist represents. i met him for the first time this morning. nice to meet him. who is he? why is he this guy that has captured so much attention in this? >> so why is he? do you think he's still relevant? >> well, he is, but back to what the congresswoman was saying a little bit earlier, does john boehner have control of his caucus. is he leading his caucus or is his caucus leading him. the reason why you're hearing congressional leaders say they won't negotiate in public because some of these outside external figures do still have some power but they want to keep them at bay as much as possible and so even though we're hearing john boner and harry reid say they are far away from a deal that may not be true because they are negotiating behind closed doors. press conference after press conference we're seeing the market swing back and forth but really i think we may be closer to a deal by the end of the month than thes
here's what claire mccaskill had to skay. >> i feel sorry for john boehner. he has to deal with the base of the republican party that grover norquist represents. i met him for the first time this morning. nice to meet him. who is he? why is he this guy that has captured so much attention in this? >> so why is he? do you think he's still relevant? >> well, he is, but back to what the congresswoman was saying a little bit earlier, does john boehner have control of his caucus. is...
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if that happens will be under the leadership of john boehner. we will protect the middle- class. to force a balanced agreement we need republicans to come forward with something. it is time for republicans to do something. that is a balanced statement. the vast majority of democrats support. republican support this proposal. republicans need to show us they can help lead this country. >> we can debate within the november 6 election was a band- aid, but i do not think we can debate it was a work order. roll up your sleeves and work together and solve the problems. we get the message. did speaker banner get the message? what we hear is pain and frustration and annexed dealing with the tea party. there comes a part where he needs to look to the house and the nation. he has a responsibility. it will protect 98% of americans for a vote again to the house of representatives. he can do it before we break for christmas. he conceded those fortunate enough will pay a little more. working families across the board will be protected. that is what we've asked for. we realize this needs to be
if that happens will be under the leadership of john boehner. we will protect the middle- class. to force a balanced agreement we need republicans to come forward with something. it is time for republicans to do something. that is a balanced statement. the vast majority of democrats support. republican support this proposal. republicans need to show us they can help lead this country. >> we can debate within the november 6 election was a band- aid, but i do not think we can debate it was...
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i think boehner, a lot of us want a big deal. we're willing to put everything on the table. >> including new revenue? >> including new revenue. when we talk about they're going to cut, add revenue, cut expenses, we're running $1.3 trillion a year. we're going bankrupt if we don't figure out how to do this in a big way, and i think boehner wants to get that done. i think he can lead on that. i'm glad they're together. i just don't -- over the years i've been in business, you know, you given the professionals an opportunity to get it done but at the end of the day you get in a room yourself and we're not leaving until it gets done. >> do you sense eric cantor, kevin mccarthy, other leaders will give john boehner the room that he needs to do the deal? >> i do. >> without worrying about having to come back and getting his knees cut out from underneath him? >> they've sent some signals. i don't know it if you've been reading. i'm sure you've seen a loft different things about members but i think they want to get a big deal, a substant
i think boehner, a lot of us want a big deal. we're willing to put everything on the table. >> including new revenue? >> including new revenue. when we talk about they're going to cut, add revenue, cut expenses, we're running $1.3 trillion a year. we're going bankrupt if we don't figure out how to do this in a big way, and i think boehner wants to get that done. i think he can lead on that. i'm glad they're together. i just don't -- over the years i've been in business, you know,...
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president obama and speaker john boehner are locked in a whatever words this afternoon one day after republicans rebuffed the president's first proposal to overt the so-called fiscal cliff. first up, the president. the president who traveled to a toy company in pennsylvania today to call on congress to extend tax cuts for the middle class. president obama playing a little hardball accusing republicans of playing politics at the expense of american families. >> it's not acceptable to me and i don't think it's acceptable to for you republicans to hold tax cuts hostage because they don't want rates on upper folks to go up. >> john boehner scheduled a last minute news conference. fired back with this. >> increasing tax rates draws money away from our economy that needs to be invested in our economy to put the american people back to work. it's the wrong approach. >> as the rhetoric heats up, the clock continues to tick down. after today, there are just ten legislative days on the calendar. the house announced they will be recessing one day early next would he week. joining me now from th
president obama and speaker john boehner are locked in a whatever words this afternoon one day after republicans rebuffed the president's first proposal to overt the so-called fiscal cliff. first up, the president. the president who traveled to a toy company in pennsylvania today to call on congress to extend tax cuts for the middle class. president obama playing a little hardball accusing republicans of playing politics at the expense of american families. >> it's not acceptable to me...
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. >> john boehner made a point at expressing dismay the president hasn't responded two days after the republicans sent him a fiscal cliff counteroffer. >> if the president doesn't agree with our proposal and our outline, i think he's got an obligation to send one to the congress. and a plan that can pass both chambers of congress. >> by trying to keep gop frustration on the president, boehner appears to be keeping conservative lawmakers off his own back for now. >> what's mood inside the conference. >> very united, very supportive with the speaker. >> multiple sources tell cnn in a private meeting with house republicans, boehner got no flow back for producing $800 billion in tax revenue, despite backlash from conservative groups outside congress. >> any complaints about this new revenue? >> i didn't hear anything. >> the speaker has full support of the conference to move forward and get something done for the american people. >> so far, rank and time republicans are allowing boehner to play out this showdown, trying to look reasonable while the president is intransigent. especially si
. >> john boehner made a point at expressing dismay the president hasn't responded two days after the republicans sent him a fiscal cliff counteroffer. >> if the president doesn't agree with our proposal and our outline, i think he's got an obligation to send one to the congress. and a plan that can pass both chambers of congress. >> by trying to keep gop frustration on the president, boehner appears to be keeping conservative lawmakers off his own back for now. >>...
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. >> speaker boehner earlier described there being a stalemate. do you think that we will get a deal last minute? >> last-minute is the last day of the month. i do not think that is right. we know what is at stake. everyone knows that we have to have cuts, growth, and revenue. why are we stalling? this delay is harmful to confidence and consumers and to the market. it is the holiday shopping season. wouldn't it be better if there were a clear message? the sooner the better. don't toy around with this. give people the confidence so they can buy toys for the children. you might say, ok, there is a reason for it to be that day. but when the markets are looking very carefully at what the intentions of congress are, for us to have anyone doubt that we will do this, it is not right. i do not know what the weight is for. it does not like we need to get more information or there are certain variables we do not know about. it is clear. every bipartisan group that has addressed this issue has called for revenue cuts and spending. i will yield to my distingu
. >> speaker boehner earlier described there being a stalemate. do you think that we will get a deal last minute? >> last-minute is the last day of the month. i do not think that is right. we know what is at stake. everyone knows that we have to have cuts, growth, and revenue. why are we stalling? this delay is harmful to confidence and consumers and to the market. it is the holiday shopping season. wouldn't it be better if there were a clear message? the sooner the better. don't...
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start with you, ari, this is a clip from john boehner. he was talking earlier today about these negotiations to avoid going over the fiscal cliff. >> so right now all eyes are on the white house. the country doesn't need a victory lap. it needs leadership. it's time for the president, congressional democrats to tell the american people what spending cuts they're really willing to make. >> so here's the question, ari. why go public with those kinds of concessions? don't you make those kinds of concessions in private negotiations as opposed to speaking publicly about them right now and giving away your own leverage, if you will? >> yes, you do. you have to make those in the private talks. not in the public maneuvering that's going on. but i also worry that it's not being said in the private talks. and that's why you're hearing speaker boehner say what he's saying. wolf, i'm getting a growing sense from the people that i talk to that there's a real exasperation where we are where we were in 2011 with nothing happening in these talks. that ca
start with you, ari, this is a clip from john boehner. he was talking earlier today about these negotiations to avoid going over the fiscal cliff. >> so right now all eyes are on the white house. the country doesn't need a victory lap. it needs leadership. it's time for the president, congressional democrats to tell the american people what spending cuts they're really willing to make. >> so here's the question, ari. why go public with those kinds of concessions? don't you make...
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john boehner, again, speaker, said we're at a stalemate. is that how you would describe where things are? >> i think we're far apart still, but i think we're moving closer together. again, remember -- >> where are you closer? >> the republicans have said for the first time in decades, if i'm not mistaken, the leaders of the republican party, that they are prepared to raise taxes as part of a deal that helps reduce our long term deficit. what they haven't said is how far they're willing to go on rates and revenues, and that's what we need to see from them. >> they said no increased rates. >> but that's -- but they know this. there's not going to be an agreement without rates going up. there's not -- >> you'll go off the fiscal cliff if the republicans say, sorry, no way are we going to raise rates for the -- on the wealthy. you guys are willing to go off -- >> if republicans are not willing to let rates go back up and we think they should go back to the clinton levels, the time when the american economy was doing exceptionally well, there wi
john boehner, again, speaker, said we're at a stalemate. is that how you would describe where things are? >> i think we're far apart still, but i think we're moving closer together. again, remember -- >> where are you closer? >> the republicans have said for the first time in decades, if i'm not mistaken, the leaders of the republican party, that they are prepared to raise taxes as part of a deal that helps reduce our long term deficit. what they haven't said is how far...
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here comes john boehner deciding he's going to draw a line again. >> without spending cuts and in title reforms it's impossible to address our country's debt crisis and get our economy going again and to grow jobs. right now all eyes are on the white house. the country doesn't need a victory lap. it needs leadership. it's time for the president congressional democrats to tell the american people what spending cuts they're really willing to make. >> cenk: there he goes again spending cuts, enexcitement reform. we'll get to entitlement reform in a minute. they are huffing and puffing and laughing in tim geithner's face today. based on some articles that i have read, this morning i tweeted out: there is the unknown ones, how much are they going to increase taxes. i predicted 37-38% and capitol gains 20%-22%. i don't have definitive numbers for you sos i got it right but i read this today: >> cenk: now do you understand that? the clinton era rates are 39.5 wear. all along, president obama was saying i'm taking away the bush tax cuts, we're going back to the clinton era rates right? all of a
here comes john boehner deciding he's going to draw a line again. >> without spending cuts and in title reforms it's impossible to address our country's debt crisis and get our economy going again and to grow jobs. right now all eyes are on the white house. the country doesn't need a victory lap. it needs leadership. it's time for the president congressional democrats to tell the american people what spending cuts they're really willing to make. >> cenk: there he goes again spending...
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john boehner was. congress' approval ratings seemed to go up because everybody seems so conciliatory. is this going to get done? >> i very rarely admit that i was wrong, but i'm starting to get worried that maybe i was wrong. that these sides are further apart now than they were two weeks ago, which is hard to believe. i think this is going to get done. i don't think we're going to go over the fiscal cliff. republicans have put some proposals on the table moving in barack obama's direction. i don't know exactly what the game that tim geithner was playing yesterday. not only, and thank you, erin, for getting some of this math right. the president said 2.5 for every tax increase and yesterday he came up with $4 of new taxes for every dollar of spending cuts. that's when john boehner simply said we're nowhere. >> ethan, don't the republicans if they want to break this stalemate, maybe what the president's doing is saying these are the cuts i want to make, so guys, why don't you come up with the rest? >> i
john boehner was. congress' approval ratings seemed to go up because everybody seems so conciliatory. is this going to get done? >> i very rarely admit that i was wrong, but i'm starting to get worried that maybe i was wrong. that these sides are further apart now than they were two weeks ago, which is hard to believe. i think this is going to get done. i don't think we're going to go over the fiscal cliff. republicans have put some proposals on the table moving in barack obama's...
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house speaker boehner said yesterday that he was seeing no progress in negotiations but the democrats, they don't really agree with that too much. they think the g.o.p. is ready to cave in and pass the plan that would extend the bush tax cuts for everyone except the top 2%. now, that's of course a pretty big gamble but since many republicans are calling for the same and back away from norquist's pledge, the democrats do feel like they have some pretty big leverage. that deal would just solve part of the problem and put much of the negotiations off until next year. we'll be right back. alright, in 15 minutes we're going to do the young turks. i think the number one thing that viewers like about the young turks is that we're honest. they know that i'm not bs'ing them with some hidden agenda, actually supporting one party or the other. when the democrats are wrong, they know that i'm going to be the first one to call them out. they can question whether i'm right, but i think that the audience gets that this guy, to the best of his ability, is trying to look out for us. [ male announcer ]
house speaker boehner said yesterday that he was seeing no progress in negotiations but the democrats, they don't really agree with that too much. they think the g.o.p. is ready to cave in and pass the plan that would extend the bush tax cuts for everyone except the top 2%. now, that's of course a pretty big gamble but since many republicans are calling for the same and back away from norquist's pledge, the democrats do feel like they have some pretty big leverage. that deal would just solve...
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boehner took a risk, tom cole took a risk and he undercut them. he made them look stupid with what he did yesterday. they feel furious, they feel burned so you have to help your people along. you have to make it more possible. and so that's why i think you just got to what he offered was not only a balanced deal that would be fine if he offered something balance, he offered something even worse from the republican point of view than what he had offered a couple years ago. so he started with drawing things off the tab and it seemed like chest beats. >> we just went through an election, david. the republicans are the ones who are for medicare kurkts they really are. so what he is basically saying is okay this is my proposal. i am going to increase taxment i won that. okay, now where is yours. >> it sounds like-- ness you want to come up with a medicare cuts. >> no, we don't want to come with the medicare cuts. >> it sounds like the two guys on the president's shoulder, right. >> i got to be tough because i won or the process, i got to -- >> i got to
boehner took a risk, tom cole took a risk and he undercut them. he made them look stupid with what he did yesterday. they feel furious, they feel burned so you have to help your people along. you have to make it more possible. and so that's why i think you just got to what he offered was not only a balanced deal that would be fine if he offered something balance, he offered something even worse from the republican point of view than what he had offered a couple years ago. so he started with...
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why am i putting all this on poor john boehner? a congressman from ohio, from a working family himself. because it's within his power to call before the house of representatives a measure that passed the united states senate last july. we passed on a bipartisan vote a measure to protect all families making less than $250,000 a year from any income tax increase on december 31. sent it over to the house of representatives. in july, and speaker boehner has refused to call this measure that would protect working families, and as a result, if he does nothing, their tax bill will go up $2,200 next year. how do you explain that? it's not only unfair to those families who are working and struggling, it's really not a good thing for this country. all of us know the issue of income and equality, how many working families are falling further and further behind every single year debt ceiling -- every single year despite their best efforts, despite their hard work. we also know many families are looking ahead and wondering how in the world are
why am i putting all this on poor john boehner? a congressman from ohio, from a working family himself. because it's within his power to call before the house of representatives a measure that passed the united states senate last july. we passed on a bipartisan vote a measure to protect all families making less than $250,000 a year from any income tax increase on december 31. sent it over to the house of representatives. in july, and speaker boehner has refused to call this measure that would...